Determinate Nix 3.0

Uhhh, no, not at all? How have you reached this conclusion? There are reasons why me and pie contribute to Lix and not Nix - and those reasons are 100% cultural and political. Forking Nix to Lix also wasn’t trivial at all - there is an untold amount of organizational and infra work that was put into it. I can only applaud this effort. And it is very hard to replicate.

A large part of the Lix team has signed the open letter against Eelco. A large part of other Lix contributors have done so, too. There are people who have never contributed to Nix, but tried contributing to Lix. All of this suggests that all those people were pushed out of committing to Nix, in significant part due to Eelco. Was it worth it to preserve one man and discard tens of people, many of whom are not any less capable? I think those were exactly the people we could bring to contributing to Nix, but utterly failed to do so in hopes of preserving Eelco. This is a terrible result.

Because nothing else works! There have been years of constructive talk about that - which led nowhere, because Eelco, who was BDFL in all possible regards then, dismissed and ignored it. It got more heated - he still did exactly nothing. We had an open letter - to which he wrote a horrid response which led many people to ragequit. He then did the bare minimum, resigning from Foundation, and talk around the town is that even getting to that point has been pure torture. Then, a temporary governance body, which… Hasn’t addressed the problem at all, and kicked the can down the road to the SC which will be elected in then-future.

Well, we had our elections, and we have SC now. Guess what it has done to address this issue? Exactly the same as before - exactly nothing. The only thing that got us any results so far (Eelco resignation from Foundation, temporary governance body, and then SC) is the public outrage. So why do you insist that the community is in the wrong - when we have had people all along the way who could’ve solved the issue very effectively in short time, but haven’t, and still don’t?

But we do - as mentioned, this is the only thing that works.

Yes, because other strategies have been tried in the past, repeatedly, and they have achieved far less success than what “we” do now - even with the miniscule amount that was achieved with this strategy!

No, it is not, lol. We have a governance body who can make this decision overnight. It has been voted for. We do not need consensus - we have SC precisely to act when there’s no consensus.

You should maybe consider for a second why this came to be, instead of dismissing people outright.

We all started there, and got exactly nowhere. This. Does. Not. Work.

It seems to me that you experience a large amount of discomfort because people don’t act nicely, and fail to account for why things ended up that way. This does not resolve any conflicts, whatsoever. It just preserves the status quo, calls the people expressing dissent to voice their opinions in ways that can be safely and calmly ignored, and absolves people in position of power of responsibility and accountability. This is shit. Please reconsider.

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