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@dedguy21

We are past the age of institutional discrimination,

We are certainly not. Tell this to a woman or trans person trying to get healthcare in many US states.

@dedguy21

what applies to the majority inherently applies to minorities today.

Also no, but I’m not going to elaborate much on that one.

@dedguy21

but how would they otherwise know to discriminate?

There are many ways to pick up on things, especially thru writing. The logic “I only know it if I see it!” is certainly bad. In addition, a user may have an avatar that gives something away or may have the same handle other places that make things about them obvious.

@dedguy21

And why the need to specifically call out protections for minorities? I’m just not sure how the current CoC doesn’t do that already while still being applied to everyone equally.

I already replied to this in the other thread where you copy and pasted this exact same response from: NixOS Foundation board announcement: Moderation concerns - #53 by dedguy21

What isn’t clear about that?

@dedguy21

know this is anecdotal and I hate that I might be helping prejudiced people, but since I’ve seen it, I have to mention that some “protected classes” think that the only reason why you’re questioning or pushing back on their opinion is because they are a protected class, which honestly mostly isn’t true, just don’t like the idea.

People can potentially abuse a lot of systems, but the potential or actual abuse of those systems does not negate the need for those systems in the first place.

@dedguy21

It should be known that this is a safe space and I don’t want to bang the drum on the same point

but you are banging the same drum over and over and over again.

@dedguy21

specifically because inherently “protecting minorities” means we’re doing something extra.

Yes, we must work to build the same structures for marginalized people that exist for the majority. The work for the majority is done, but for marginalized people it is not.

@dedguy21

t was important because literally discrimination was legal but we’re post-legal discrimination so I’m just trying to understand what protections looks like in today’s world.

It is still important because while we may have enshrined rights for some, we have not enshrined rights for all. We should work to enshrine rights for all.