Leaving the Nix/NixOS community

[Mapybara]

@normalcea

object permanence

Made me laugh (in a good way).

[7c6f434c]

@normalcea

to represent a diverse community.

@normalcea

SC is designed in a way to avoid accountability

The SC is designed in a way to avoid false belief that there is anyone actually plausibly representing the entire range of project contributors, or almost the entire range.

[Steinhagen]

If I were to say why I consider this to be important is mostly because of:

1. Long-term focus and stability
2. Knowledge continuity
3. Protection against takeovers

Also, @normalcea I’m sorry to say this, but not only you’re not engaging this discussion in good faith, you purposely try to humiliate and destroy people reputation in the hope to drive them away. I won’t quote your direct message, but you know what you are implying when saying that someone ‘holds a fascist ideology that is deeply embedded within them’? If only we had a CoC for these types of things…

[normalcea]

@Steinhagen

purposely try to humiliate and destroy people reputation in the hope to drive them away.

Oh no I didn’t do that, the SC members in question did that to themselves. Let’s not get carried away here.

I’m done coddling people who help capitalist warmongers make huge stacks of money helping build weapons that are then directly used for criminal and terrorist acts. If your empathy and political literacy stops at the Nix door then you just desire a metaphorical boys club.

Considering people are comfortable admitting they see this space as a form of escapism there’s no wonder that we run into the same governance crisis year after year.

[jaen]

@normalcea

To reiterate, the only people who insist on apolitical spaces are people who want to hide and smuggle in their horrible and out-of-touch politics.

One would hope we’re not on /leftypol/, though. Part of this whole dumb trumpist movement is a backlash to the uncompromising left purity spiral america had*. And just as I don’t wish to see *nduril here, I don’t think a software project is the right place for being a tankie — even if one of those at least stems from good motivations and the other is some chauvinist shit.

But if that’s where the pendulum will swing, then of course I’m always happy to stop interacting with the community again with my horrible politics of… checks notes… not wanting to rehearse all this horseshoe shit again, but I wish we could just do the sane thing of ensuring our sovereignty from potential threats like *nduril and then do project shit in the project and world saving shit in the real world. But eh, out of touch nerd and all that.

* — don’t get me wrong, horrible people will always find ways to be horrible, but it certainly gave them fodder to get there faster

EDIT: INB4 muh “tone policing” — I’m going to tone police all day long, being polite is my only refuge in your normie world as an autist, you ain’t gonna take that from me

[Steinhagen]

Not sure if this would help, but maybe the new SC should vote on a resolution that no more than 2/7 members work for the same company (or companies directly managed by the same conglomerate). If someone gets employment during his term and there are already 2 additional members that work for the same corp, he (or one of the other 2 members) will resign his position and special elections be held for the newly opened position.

By doing so, you reduce the chance of a single corporation taking over the SC and make this as an extra guardrail on top of the pledge that each SC makes when he’s elected.

[jaen]

Isn’t this already how this work, though? At least my misgiving with this is you could keep within those limits and still collude.

[7c6f434c]

@Steinhagen

Not sure if this would help, but maybe the new SC should vote on a resolution that no more than 2/7 members work for the same company (or companies directly managed by the same conglomerate). If someone gets employment during his term and there are already 2 additional members that work for the same corp, he (or one of the other 2 members) will resign his position and special elections be held for the newly opened position.

This is what constitution already says.

[normalcea]

This is just more deflection, it only took one SC member joining Anduril. And the moderation team resignation is also not related to corporation Col limits.

Also this is just making every other company pay for Anduril’s sins, which again: Win for Anduril.

(Also please use gender-neutral language)

[kiara]

@normalcea

I literally made my point that Tom’s public self (principal engineer at Anduril) is incompatible with a leadership position by NixOS’s own values.

this raises the question if:

• (a minority in) the community picked a representative not in line with community values (in which case, the values could be amended given majority support, tho until then they would be expected to follow these values)
• the community considered the employment change unexpected, and would reconsider their earlier vote

i’m not sure we have much data there, for now. that said, at the time of candidacy Tom had seemed open about earlier similar positions. it would not necessarily surprise me if in this particular case we’d be at the first scenario then.

@Steinhagen

If I were to say why I consider this to be important is mostly because of:

1. Long-term focus and stability
2. Knowledge continuity
3. Protection against takeovers

1. Long-term focus and stability - if people want to choose different leaders, is this necessarily preferable?
2. Knowledge continuity - could these not be covered by an informal advisory role?
3. Protection against takeovers - what of the mechanism’s unintended potential to actually facilitate a take-over?

[lassulus]

I think this thread reached kinda a dead end. Will close it for now to allow room for more topic specific ones to appear. It’s pretty hard for newcomers to follow what is even discussed here and the people left are getting more heated.