Should jonringer get his commit bit back?

I’m considering walking away from the project altogether, not because of the reinstatement of his commit bit but because we haven’t banned him again. The behaviour demonstrated yesterday shows he has learned absolutely nothing this time around, that the extensive reasoning given to the original ban still applies in its entirety, and that he is poised to drive away another several existing and new contributors if we do not do anything.


This entire affair has wasted hundreds [1] of hours of contributors’ time that could have been spent doing literally anything useful, instead of “balanced moderation” so that “everyone has their view heard”. It is like letting your neighbour’s pet tiger eat your rabbit and leave 5lb of excrement on your porch every day while you have to hold your nose and not say anything to “protect their freedom to have exotic pets”. If I were working on a project that wants to get things done, I would have banned Jon and all of his sympathizers months ago [oh wait, I do. and we banned him months ago!]. At this point it’s not even remotely about politics but simple wasted resources.

In light of this, I will tender my resignation from the project if he is not re-banned with prejudice in the next week, because it appears that the priorities of NixOS are first and foremost that anyone should be allowed to waste our time and energy without consequence to “protect their :ice_cube::peach:”. Every minute that I spend on NixOS could be spent on a fork that actually cares about getting things done instead of forming committees for the protection and preservation of the committee for preservation and protection of the status quo.

Inaction on patterns of behaviour that are this long running and well documented to “protect freeze peach” is not protecting anyone’s speech but wasting everyone’s time.

There’s a clear point where someone drives away more contributions than they do themselves and I think that line has been clearly and shamefully crossed through the actions demonstrated in the past few months. Burning out the entire previous mod team is reason enough for permanent banning.

Jon: I beg you to try to see how your patterns of behaviour over a period of years are not conducive to working in a team based project. Try to understand why people are opposed to you being in positions of power. Hint: it’s not your politics, I promise. It’s not a witch hunt either. It’s the actions you have taken, the repeatedly doing the same thing in the hopes that nobody has a backbone and will just roll over, the intentionally starting drama in out-of-community places [2], the playing the victim the whole time instead of thinking even a little bit about why people find your behaviour unacceptable.

Personally I think we have given you too many chances to do this already, but I nevertheless am asking you as an individual to try to learn from this experience even if the final outcome is that you are banned permanently.

[1]: Low estimate. thousands, if we count the time wasted on the status quo enthusiasm committee on zulip whose creation was significantly spurred by Jon and company.

[2]: For example: The posts on /r/nixos from above. Incidentally, Srid (who has been banned for extremely good reasons) is having a great time brigading community spaces from his little unmoderated playground, /r/nixos. I must note: /r/nixos is a moderation free zone due to the inactions of @domenkozar, the only even remotely active moderator on there. This, too, is shameful as a community, and should not be without direct personal (edit for clarity: potential moderation/social) consequence on Domen for the masses of wasted time and burnout that platforming Srid and company there has on the moderation team here, IMO.

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