Attendees
| Team | Name/handle |
|---|---|
| Foundation board | |
| Security | |
| Infra | |
| NixOS release | |
| NixCon | |
| RFC steering committee | |
| Marketing | @garbas |
| Moderation | |
| Nix team | @tomberek |
| Documentation | @fricklerhandwerk |
| Nixpkgs architecture | |
| Nixpkgs | |
| Geospatial |
Agenda
- Survey review
- Project review
2024 community survey
- @Arsleust prepared the questionnaire: GitHub - GuillaumeDesforges/nix-survey: Documentation and assets for the Nix Community Survey
- went over the questions together, reordered a bit
S3 Cache
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@ron met with Amazon (original notes on Matrix):
Quick Update, had a great chat with the Open Source Team at AWS who have provided us $9k/month credits for the past 12 months.
They are open to refreshing for another year so myself and a few others will be working on writing up a report that will assist them in requesting the budget. If anyone is interested to assist, please reach out
In general the main action item is to write up a summary of:
- Success of Nix in the past 12 months (feel free to send me data or points)
- Explanation of Nix consumption growth of S3 due to usage and examples
- Any examples of Nix usage inside of AWS or AWS customers
Also just a shoutout to the Infra team and @edef and a bunch of others for tons of work <3
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Current plan:
- Start copying large objects to Glacier
- Generate proposal for deletion sets
- Create policy for restoration
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update from AWS: extention
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$20k allocated, but not claimed due to it devolving into a research effort.
StreamYard account
- @garbas and @fricklerhandwerk have set up a StreamYard account usable by community members for streaming on the official channels
- @hexa made live.nixos.org (Owncast) available again, so we also have a self-hosted open source alternative
- currently only few people can access the StreamYard account because we can’t share the credentials
- the log-in is via email code, and we’d have to share the email account
- we’re delegating the extra seats to collaborators for streaming projects, such as recently Summer of Nix
- @garbas: it would be nice to have a rotation, where once a month a community team holds something like a public meeting. ask marketing for access and onboarding!
- @fricklerhanderk: recommend scheduling it ~2 weeks in advance so marketing can announce this on social media
Project updates
- libnix/Windows
- @Ericson2314 and @qknight (Google Summer of Code) are working on making Nix more like a library, portable to native Windows
- @tomberek: it’s likely not getting finished this season, but it’s interesting to a lot of people
- it’s a high-risk, high-payoff research project
- hard to do piecemeal with lots of handovers
- would be ideal to have dedicated people funded continuously
- proposal: we could go to 4-5 companies who have expressed interest and let them fund this
- @garbas: and additionally do a crowd-fundraiser to get public attention and market the result
- @fricklerhandwerk: from experience with NGI, STF, documentation, Nix maintainers:
- not enough to have small chunks of work (5-10h/week)
- moves too slowly
- people tend to get distracted
- effort to follow up on loose ends up being as much as the work itself
- hard to finish anything that way
- part time 20-25/week is even worse
- amount of work done and money at stake incurs management overhead
- even harder to actually get someone committed, need complementary source of income
- don’t have the budget for it anywhere at the moment
- need full-time, but dedicated to a single thing
- requires 2 people full-time + product owner/support
- estimate given engineering salaries $400k/year (depending on GDP of country of residence) for any project you’d pick
- not enough to have small chunks of work (5-10h/week)
- TODO: provide team access to OpenCollective i.e. “official blessing” (Give Nix maintainers access to an Open Collective project · Issue #103 · NixOS/foundation · GitHub)
- who has access and can make this happen? @ron?
- nixpkgs-review, ofborg: no updates, stalled funding
- NGI operational budget (35kEUR/year): still no decision
- Conclusion
- ecosystem suffers a number of sustainability issues and risks
- lacking ability to make authoritative decisions
- lack of official blessing makes it hard to collect serious funds
- only small total number of experts to do meaningful things, need to match their salaries and stability of a proper job to get their attention
- establish the operational needs for the next few months
- review outstanding budget allocation and their expiration dates or deadlines
- @fricklerhandwerk would like to reconvene with the current foundation board to help organise the operational transition, given two board members are leaving and we’re already extremely time-constrained to do anything at all
- this should be a decision meeting, not a discussion meeting:
- how to proceed with the NGI operational budget?
- provide access to Open Collective
- define ownership of the cache saving effort
- how to proceed with the STF supply chain security project?
- this should be a decision meeting, not a discussion meeting:
- ecosystem suffers a number of sustainability issues and risks